TBTB - DFY 9 | Hard Truths


Let’s face it: We don’t like the hard truths. But that doesn’t mean we should avoid them. In this episode, Dr. Frederick Schurger and Dr. Beth Bagley go over some hard truths about improving one’s health. They discuss how to understand the right way of making better decisions for yourself with proper guidance.

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Hard Truths

Good evening, Dr. Beth Bagley. How are you?

Good evening. I’m great. How are you, Dr. Frederick?

I’m excellent. Folks, welcome to The Blonde & The Bald.

It’s not The Bald & The Blonde. It’s the most important person first, and then the second most important person. That’s how I like to set it up.

Yes, not age before beauty. We’re not doing it that way. It was a beautiful day yesterday.

It was gorgeous. I was inside the whole day working, but that’s fine.

We had new gutters put on our house and I got to walk out. I didn’t see patients until the afternoon, but when I got into the office, my windows were open.

That’s nice. A lot of people were in pleasant moods. Opposite now, where everybody is sad because it totally changed again.

Did you even see the sun? We didn’t up here.

The weather’s giving us whiplash. I haven’t been outside since 7:30 this morning. It is now 6:30 PM. I’ve heard it’s windy and it’s cold, so I’m looking forward to getting into my car.

That seems about right for January 2023.

It does. We have to have realistic expectations of the weather. It’s good we had a couple of good days. That doesn’t mean that we have to get all sad.

Yes. I saw a funny joke about how the proper way to enter someone’s house in the Midwest is not through the front door, but rather through the garage.

That’s pretty true.

Except for my garage. It isn’t connected to the house.

Yours isn’t. Mine is.

Still not the front door, because that’s silly talk.

I’ve had such a great week. If you’re reading, and you don’t leave some of your favorite businesses Google reviews, please do. Small businesses love Google reviews of good ones. If you’re having a good experience or you love the small business you’re working with, leave them a review. We’ve gotten three reviews, which is a lot for a week, honestly. They’re all great.

I want to read one of them because it’s wonderful to hear. This is from Dina. She goes, “Dr. Bagley is a master at her craft, and so very compassionate as well. What more could one want in a medical provider? When I first came to Dr. Bagley, I had headaches, neck pain, and some nerve compression issues that caused me a lot of discomfort. I no longer have neck pain or headaches, and when the nerve issue rears its head on occasion, it is quickly resolved by a visit to Dr. B. That’s a big deal to me. I can’t thank you enough, Dr. Bagley, Dr. Shilo, and Erin. The best team and the most welcoming healing environment. The treatment is life-changing stuff.”

That’s amazing.

It’s a pretty good one. I feel like I should pay her for that. It was so good. Isn’t that sweet? She walked in not feeling good, but she has been doing well with care. She could tell something wasn’t right. She got the care when she needed it. She walked out and then wrote an awesome review, which was nice.

That’s great.

That’s why we do what we do. We put all this time and effort into learning how to adjust specifically an area of the spine that affects so many people in so many different ways. I love what I do.

One of the guys that were putting up the gutters was asking me, “Do you deal with this occipital neuralgia?” I’m like, “I deal with that a lot.” The other guy chimes in and says, “I’ve been to 4 or 5 chiropractors. None of them can take care and pop my lower back.” I’m like, “Neither will I.”

Don’t do it.

The problem is probably not there. He’s just feeling it there. There’s a reason that he’s hurting. It’s always exciting when patients are like, “This is what I’ve been missing.” That’s just great. Now, you had a couple of others, didn’t you?

Yeah. The other one is Michael. Michael had been having serious headaches. He’s a guy’s guy. He is a woodworker and he’s super nice. I love him to death. For him to go out of his way to write a review was a big deal. What he said is, “Simply awesome! They meet you where you are with your treatment. I’ve never received an adjustment that I didn’t need,” which is important. “Many times I have a checkup with no adjustment because I didn’t need one. My major neck pain and headaches, they are gone. Thanks to their treatment. Not sure I could be more positive about how awesome the team is.”

That is fantastic. That’s exactly what we want to hear because that’s exactly the care that we’re delivering. We want to make sure that we’re doing the job the way we’re supposed to be doing it. That feedback is always great. That’s wonderful.

Again, please leave reviews for the small businesses that you go to. First of all, it makes us feel fantastic, but it helps other people find us. That’s another reason we’re doing the show. More people are exposed to this awesome type of chiropractic care. We’re happy to see you in our offices if you’re close enough by within a few hours of driving. There are Blair chiropractors all over the country that are wanting to help so many people. One of the things you can go to is BlairChiropractic.com. Hit Locate a Doctor and you will find a doctor based on your location.

That was one of my biggest pet peeves when I started practicing and getting involved with the Blair Chiropractic Society. I said, “We don’t have a good website that’s easy for people to find.” We figured out all of the bits and pieces. I helped try to get that on the path that we’re on now. It’s taken a while to get it good.

It’s a great website now.

It’s fantastic what they’ve been working with to get it to that point. You mentioned, within a few hours, that’s the upside and downside to finding a good Blair chiropractor or finding a good doctor. Sometimes you got to travel a little bit. In fact, I had one young lady who had forgotten how long ago it was when she came in to see me the first time.

It was 2016 for bad migraines apparently. She came in to see me three times. I adjusted her maybe twice. She felt so good that she was like, “I don’t need to go back if I’m feeling good.” Let’s fast forward. She’s been apparently taking pretty high-dose medications for a while. She’s Amish and she lives an hour and a half away from where I am. Transportation’s tricky. I go over there every other week.

That’s not enough at first, sometimes.

It is better than nothing. Sometimes they need to get in here more often. For her, she only needed a couple. It was funny because her driver was telling her she probably needs to at least get checked if she’s doing that good every couple of months. That’s what her and her husband had been doing up in Chicago. Again, from Central Illinois, it’s about a 2 to 3-hour drive to get up to Chicago.

They were doing that a couple of times a year until their doctor left. She’s like, “When can we get in here?” She got pregnant. She got married. Her husband’s like, “You can’t take these high-dose medications to take care of this migraine. You’re getting adjusted almost on a weekly basis by the local chiropractor who doesn’t do a cervical for that matter. What else can you do?” She’s like, “Dr. Schurger will help.”

This goes back to an idea that popped into my head. I call this the dad talk. You can call it the mom talk or the parental talk. It’s the talk that we as doctors do. Sometimes we have to tell our patients to remind them that there is a process that needs to be followed. We are the ones who have seen enough cases to know what that process needs to be. You need to follow it. We’re not telling you to come in here three times a week. We’re going to tell you, “This is the best process to get you back and keep you in health. Someone’s got to be an adult in this relationship, and we got to tell you what’s going on.”

I don’t have children, I have nieces and nephews. I’ve had a conversation with my dad several times on the other side of this on the receiving end, saying, “Remember when I told you this years ago?” I’m like, “Yeah, I learned the lesson now. It took me ten years to learn the lesson.” Sometimes it does. This is the problem a lot of people don’t get. We’re going to tell you what the solution is. Not everyone’s going to accept that solution at face value. That’s okay. You’re going to be there.

It’s a big deal. There’s financial involvement in it.

There’s a time involvement.

There’s an aspect of trust, too. You may have seen ten other doctors before you’ve seen us. They’ve told you, “It’s all in your head.” I call them the shut up meds. “Here are some shut up meds. Take them and shut up.” People have been through a lot when they come in our doors, but we set up ourselves. We are leaders in your healthcare. We are leading you down the path. We’re doing it from our heart. We have to pay the bills and stuff. No chiropractor I know personally does chiropractic just for money. We’re doing it because we truly want to save humanity.

When they’re sitting across from me, what we have is compassion. Both of us, Dr. Frederick and I, have been on the other side of this. That’s the reason we’re chiropractors. That’s the reason we’re upper cervical doctors. We know what it feels like to be you. When we come from a place of compassion and set ourselves as leaders, that’s when people follow. The following is showing up. It’s because we can’t help you if you don’t walk in.

Getting back to this patient that I hadn’t seen in seven years. She’s like, “This worked.” I took new pictures and I reanalyzed her. Good news is she didn’t have any major traumas other than she’s getting pregnant.

Which is sometimes a trauma in itself.

She’s not that far along yet, but still. She’s like, “I want to be healthy. I want to be able to take care of my family.” We were joking about egg prices because her husband’s like, “You paid how much for a package of eggs? We just bought a farm that has a barn and a chicken coop on it.” They’re going to put chickens up there, so I might have two sources of eggs.

Smart move, because you eat a lot of eggs.

I do. We could talk about that when we review some of my health goals later on. When she was seventeen, she was like, “I don’t need to go in. I feel good.” Now, she’s in her early twenties. She’s about to be a mother. She understands, “I need to do a little bit more to take care of things, because if I take care of things now, it’s going to be less of a problem later.” I joke with all my patients, but especially the younger ones. I ask them to look at the older folks in their community, if they go to church, especially. They sit in a poor posture. I’m sitting in a chair that I would not normally sit in for good posture. In fact, it’s not my choice of chair, but it’s the chair that’s good for the show.

That being said, when you’re pregnant, there are things that you avoid and things that you’re told not to consume or take. You don’t want to take a whole bunch of medications like she was saying. There are even things that you’re not supposed to eat. They say, “Don’t eat fish more than once a week or whatever, because of the amount of mercury in it.”

That goes back and forth because sometimes the benefit from the fish outweighs the mercury potential toxicity that is there. There’s this back-and-forth on that stuff.

There’s even the crazy, “Don’t eat lunch meat.” You could go way far with these things not to do when you’re pregnant. It’s amazing some of the things that the pharmaceutical companies get away with allowing people to take when they’re pregnant. We won’t go into that. I want to treat myself as well as I was treating myself if I was pregnant.

Pharmaceutical companies get away with a lot of things, especially with the things they allow pregnant people to take.

I don’t want to put things in my body that are going to be toxic or harm me at any point. When someone comes into my office, I tell them that there are things that we should treat medically. There are things that we should probably stop treating medically. There are a lot of over-the-counter medications that people take because they think they’re safe and fine. It’s over the counter. It’s as simple as taking a vitamin.

It’s not true. Some of these over-the-counter medications are pretty dangerous. Let’s go for the first instance. Dr. Schurger, you have a fever. It’s a fever of 102. You don’t feel real good. You have two choices. We could let the fever run its course, or you could take a fever reducer, which would be an Advil, Tylenol, or Aspirin. All three of those medications have their own side effects. What do you feel like when you have a fever? How do you feel?

I feel like death.

Especially if you’re a man and caught a man cold. Man cold is terrible and awful. People should be scared of the man cold, but you feel like death.

The funny thing is, when I was an undergrad at Rose-Hulman, we joked about them being the blue bombers. I don’t know if this was antibiotics, Advil, or Tylenol. I don’t know what it was, but it would come in this cute little pill box. I still probably have a couple from my undergrad days. We would square. We would all get the same box and take so many for so many days. We’d all be sick at the same time.

When you’re all living together, it makes sense. Just like a family does.

It’s funny because they were joking. I saw a meme on the internet about how they feel like they’re living on Kamino, which is a Star Wars reference. If you get that, then great. I joked, “It’s only January. Wait until it feels like Hoth, and then you thought it smelled bad on the outside.”

For all of you who don’t understand it, I don’t either. My husband would get it.

That’s a funny joke for all the geeks out there who appreciate Star Wars and realize that Rose-Hulman was an all-male school at the time when I was there.

You feel like you’ve got a fever and you feel like death. What do you do when you feel like death?

You go lay down, you rest, you sleep, and you drink lots of fluids. Quite honestly, once we figured that out. A buddy of mine told me, “How long does it take you to get better with that little blue bomber box?” I’m like, “About three days.” “How long does it take you to do that if you don’t get that box?” “About three days.” Once I tried that out, I’m like, “That makes sense.”

What do you do when you have a fever? Rest, sleep, and drink lots of fluids.

Just go rest.

I recognize that my body was overwhelmed. That’s what most people are doing when they get a fever. Their body is overwhelmed. You need to let the immune system do it.

We take, let’s say, an Advil. It reduces the fever. I feel much better. The fever’s gone. I go to work. Maybe I get someone else sick. People are doing that less now that COVID’s happened, but still, people are taking fever reducers to feel better. You’re not supposed to feel good when you have a fever. There are a couple of different reasons your fever spikes. You have to rest, but also it activates the immune cells. It helps your immune system fight whatever baddie is in you. A fever is a good thing.

There’s a time and a place. If your fever is crazy high, or if you have a baby with a fever and you’re scared, it’s time to go seek medical attention. I’m not saying don’t seek it. I’m just saying, consider not treating a fever, so that your body can fight the virus or bacteria faster. I wish you could split yourself into an AB group when you have a fever. Be like, “This one I’m treating, and this one I’m not.” See who fights it faster. I honestly think if you let the fever run its course, you’re going to fight that cold or virus off faster.

How many times did you effectively do that with your twins?

Many times. These kids have never been on antibiotics in their lives. I’m not saying that to be like, “I’m the best parent in the world.” I’m not, but they get chiropractic care. They eat a relatively healthy diet. They’re not perfect. We don’t treat a fever. The fever gets better.

The fever is the protocol to heal.

That being said, we did have some scares when they were little. To put that out there, there was some scary stuff that happened when they were little with febrile seizures. That was scary. They were like two. I’ll tell that story on another day. To this day, one of the girls had symptoms of strep. We did gargles, colloidal silver, not super hot, but hot baths, and hot showers. Two days later, she was back to normal. If I would’ve taken her to urgent care, you know we would’ve had some Penicillin.

Getting back to your point about some of these over-the-counter meds being troublesome, Illinois got a new statute and law that says we have to take a class to identify Alzheimer’s to perceive what’s going on. The presenter pointed out that there are certain medications that are oftentimes over-the-counter. Not always. I’ll throw out a couple of others.

If you’re taking those on the regular, the question ends up being, “How much of that is leading to Alzheimer’s symptoms?” One of them which is common is an antihistamine. In this young man’s family, he doesn’t let his children have antihistamines in the house. It’s not happening. Other natural ways are examined instead.

His father had Parkinson’s and his mother had Alzheimer’s, and they were both taking antihistamines along the way for some of that. This gets to the question of prescription drugs that people have to take for the rest of their lives. Statins were ruled out on that, but statins lead to other muscle wasting fatigue issues.

You’ve got that issue, and then you’ve got beta blockers for heart issues. That was another one. That one also leads to Alzheimer’s. When we start weighing the back and forth, what is the immediate problem that we are trying to fix? Great. Maybe we need that. I’m not saying that these medications don’t have a place in your healing regimen. We shouldn’t get to a point where we are dependent upon these for the rest of our lives.


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In fact, funny aside, the comic strip writer, Scott Adams, who writes the Dilbert comic strip, has been dealing with asthma forever. In fact, I knew he was dealing with asthma back in the day because I’d heard about that in one of his earlier books. Again, I’m an engineer and Dilbert makes fun of engineers. Less making fun of engineers, and more the environment that we get stuck in.

He recently went in for a reevaluation of all of his meds, because he’s getting into the 65 age group. They said, “You don’t need this asthma medication that you’ve been on for twenty years.” He’s like, “What do you mean? I’ve been taking it for twenty years to keep my asthma away. ” The doctor said, ” you don’t need it. This is if you’re having a case and you’re having symptoms. You’re not having symptoms. You don’t need this medication.” He’s off of that feeling great. That’s the funny thing. As he’s been taking off some of these medications, he’s identifying that he’s feeling better. Some of the symptoms that he has been having from other things went away all of a sudden.

When you said asthma, I forgot about this thing that happened. I have a 93 or 94-year-old patient. She started with us. It was a referral from another patient who’s had amazing results. She brought her in. She’s been with us for 3 or 4 weeks. She’s the sweetest lady. I love her. She’s so funny. We should have her on the show. She could take over this show.

She has had asthma symptoms since she was a child. She’s been on medication since she’s been a child. She forgot to take her asthma medication three weeks ago, like 1 day or 2 in a row. She realized that none of her things were there after 1 day or 2. She goes, “I’m going to try not taking it.” She stopped taking it, and she came to me.

She said, “Doc, could this help my asthma?” I was like, “It can.” We talked about Dr. Blair in past episodes where his asthma was “cured with upper cervical care.” I told her that story real quick. I was like, “This can affect the asthma.” She goes, “Oh, my goodness.” She was so excited. I’m so excited for her. She’s feeling so much better. It’s never too late to get chiropractic care unless you’re dead.


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We’re still working on that.

I started getting sick to my stomach, I started puking. You’re puking or the other way.

Did you go to McDonald’s?

I went to McDonald’s.

Did you get runs from the border?

It could.

Did you have some bad fish?

You may had bad chicken, or whatever. You can get food that’s bad. We eat the bad food, we start puking, or it comes out both ends. We have medication that stops puking, and we have medication like Imodium that stops diarrhea. If you have a bug that has entered your body through the digestive tract, and you want to stop doing the things like puking and pooping, should you take the pills? It’ll make you feel better.

It might. My only concern would be, can you keep it down enough fluids? That would be the exception to the rule.

That’s when you should go get medical treatment, and get some IV fluid. I still don’t think you should take those. The reason being is your body is doing what it’s supposed to do and getting rid of it, going these ways. Getting that crap out of your body as fast as possible, so that you could not get septic or get hurt by this. If we take the pills and lock everything in there, what could happen? You could get sicker. In my house, we don’t treat diarrhea and puking. We just go through it. Not fun, but we do it.

When getting medical treatment, don’t get IV fluid. Your body is doing what it’s supposed to do. Get that crap out of your body to avoid getting sicker.

It’s one of those things. Usually, we’re talking a couple of hours.

It’s usually the 24-hour bug.

It’s hard to ever track down where you got the food poisoning from. You go out to a restaurant. I’m not saying that restaurants have on sanitary conditions, but sometimes things get through. In fact, one of my patients decided he was going to put some Parmesan cheese on his pizza for the first time in a long time. All of a sudden, he tastes the pizza and he’s like, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s moldy.” Sure enough, the Parmesan cheese in the shaker had gone bad. It happens. It’s not something that anyone’s trying to do to kill you, but it is a reality of real food. Food molds. Food goes bad.

It does. It’s supposed to. If it doesn’t, then it’s bad for you.

The fact that you can eat that McDonald’s French Fry that is hiding in the back of the van for 3 or 4 years since the last time you remember buying McDonald’s.

It looks exactly the same.

It tastes exactly the same.

You’re going to eat it. That’s gross.

I was young and hungry.

If you can add any to this list, you will. Let’s say the sniffles, I’ve got a runny nose. I could take antihistamine if it’s coming from too many allergens, or I could take SUDAFED. You can make meth out of it. It’s awesome.

You now have to go and sign your life away.

You give your ID.

You give your driver’s license and everything.

Even your passport, or your firstborn child to get it.

I’m like, “How many times do I have to sign to get enough to make meth?” It seems ridiculous.

It’s a big issue.

It is, apparently.

We take that thing to dry things up, but there’s a reason that the nose is trying to run. It’s trying to remove the pathogens that are in there. It’s doing a good job. We stop it up, and now we’ve stopped the natural body process.

That’s that Secretory IgA stuff that we did on my research study a couple months ago. We talked about it. That’s exactly your frontline defense for your immune system. Now, you’re turning it off. This is not a great way to try to be healthy. The better way would be to say, “What triggered it?”

What did I do to allow my body to get into a state where it was accepting of this pathogen? We are the host of the pathogen. Was I just unlucky? Maybe. Maybe I ate too much sugar over the holidays. Maybe my vitamin D levels are low. Maybe I need a chiropractic adjustment.

All of the above. Those are the big ones.

What are you doing? During COVID, when someone didn’t feel good, we were told not to see them, and that’s anti chiropractic. In the past, we were like, “Come in if you’re sick. If you’re puking or what, please don’t come in then. If you can get in, get in. We’ll keep you separate from other peoples because we don’t want to spread stuff around. At the same time, this is when you need to get seen.” Are you back at that now?

I never stopped. In fact, usually what I would do is, “I’ve got real bad problems.” I’m like, “We’re going to have you come in at this point in time. I might not have a bunch of patients coming in or maybe it would be an off-time for me.” One of the good news, bad news things about COVID for chiropractors is we had a whole lot more free time because going to find new patients weren’t happening. The traditional ways that we would do our marketing weren’t there. Quite honestly, I’d rather just do a podcast.

I wish we were doing this podcast at that time. It would’ve been fun.

It would’ve been so much more fun.

We didn’t think about it.

We would normally be out in the community visiting people, going to the gyms for working out, and things like that. Yet, you didn’t have that, so we had more free time. It’s like, “I’m going to be here anyways. I’m not going anywhere. Might as well see patients.”

We did. We never closed down. We weren’t forced to, which was nice. In some states, people were forced to. We did see less people because people were scared, or they were just following the directions of the overlords. I am glad that everything’s back to normal. The people who are not back to normal, I’m praying for you that you can get yourselves back to normal.

Thank you. We’re technically still on a health emergency over here in the state of Illinois. I don’t understand that, but it is what it is.

In Missouri, we’re pretty much doing it all. I’m in St. Louis County. St. Louis County tends to be a little bit more run, a little bit more like a dictatorship. Right now, everything’s okay. We’re excited about that. Are there any other things that you can think of? If your leg fell off, would you let that not get treated?

That’s a different situation. I saw this one video where a man woke up in his tent in the middle of the night to look out and see a sea of crocodiles surrounding his tent. That’s the worst camping trip ever. It cost him an arm and a leg. That was funny. Not as funny as my Hoth joke, but that’s another story.

That one, at least, people will get. You’re all welcome for that.

At that point in time, if you and a crocodile or an alligator get into a wrestling match, or if you and a big cat gets into a wrestling match, anything that’s got a long tooth that might penetrate the skin, it might be broken, but it might not be severed. You’re going to want some antibiotics for that.

We live in a time where there’s amazing technology. Our emergency medicine in the United States is amazing.

It has always been the forefront of medicine. Especially, again in the US, we have learned to excel at emergency care, critical acute care. The problem is the chronic care. This ends up being the joke about a lot of older chiropractors like to make this joke. They say, “The DC doesn’t stand for chiropractic. It technically stands for Doctor of Chronic. It’s all the chronic conditions that have been around forever. We’re the ones who, generally, by getting your body to start healing and functioning again, can get you back into proper working order so that your body can heal from those chronic conditions as best as possible.”

Matter has limitations, but at the same time, it’s never too late. Go get the care you need. Find a chiropractor in your area. It changes lives. You’re telling me, if your leg fell off, you would get emergency care?

Find a chiropractor in your area as soon as you can. It changes lives.

I’m going to try to see if they can stitch it back on. It’s hard to do kettlebell swings with one leg. It’s not possible.

You could do it.

I’d get a prosthetic.

You’d be okay.

Again, it’s hard.

Moving on to goals. We talked a little bit last show about the beginning of year, how we’ve done, what we wanted to do with goals. I’ve come along pretty well. I’ve been very busy, which is great. I’m so excited. I did skip my workout that I was going to do, because I needed a time to relax, but I’m going to get my two workouts. I know a lot of people are like, “Two workouts. That’s nothing.” I know. When you haven’t worked out for a month and a half, two workouts in a week is amazing. I’m excited. If you want to poo-poo it, that’s fine. I’m all about my two workouts. It’ll be Friday, Saturday or Friday, Sunday.

All goals need to hit to be reasonable and achievable. If you can’t achieve it, you’ll burn yourself out. All the negative self-talk that will naturally happen. “You’re not good enough. You can’t even get out and go for a walk.” That’ll get you in trouble. Two is good, and then here come maybe February, you’re going to say, “I can add another one.”

That’s my mindset on it. I can be able to do it.

I had another patient came in this week, and she’s like, “I’m hurt all over. I’ve been walking two miles.” I was like, “Wait a second. Every day?” “Yeah.” “Where?” “In Washington Park.” All the good walking paths are all paved there. I’m like, “I’ve done those. How much were you walking before you started this?” “Not much. Maybe half a mile.” I was like, “No. Back up. Do a mile, 30 minutes, you’re done. Try to do it a little bit more or a little bit faster.”

Every week, go a little bit more or a little bit faster.

“Keep that time short. Try to figure out what your limitations are, so you don’t hurt yourself.” “I’m pretty fit. I went for a run and my knees hurt. I hadn’t run in ages. I was running with the form that I’ve always used.” I’m like, “I’m not going to do that. I’m just going to walk.” My goal was try to get some sun while it was vitamin D time. It was pleasant.

We’ve had some good weather for that. I’ve got lots of business goals, but everybody’s going to be bored with those. My other personal goal is to track my food. I track every food that I eat on my phone. I like doing that because it keeps me accountable to myself of knowing, “I ate this and this.” At the end of the day, I’m like, “I don’t need a big dinner because I had a big lunch,” or vice versa. I like knowing it and seeing it in front of me, because if I couldn’t see it in front of me, it’s real. A lot of times we forget what we ate. It’s not a big deal.

What app are you using?

I use the WeightWatchers app.

Got it. Are you using a scale?

Yeah, food scale, for sure.

There are so many apps out there. The WeightWatchers has an app. MyFitnessPal is one of the apps.

Yes. There’s Noom and a couple other.

I like Cronometer, personally.

I don’t know that one.

Cronometer is one that’s got a lot of extra stuff. Dr. Mercola has been using it and doing some studies with people who are utilizing that app. All of these things integrate on your phone. I don’t care if you’re Android or Apple. Dumb phones, not so much, but some days, I want a dumb phone.

I want to go back in time.

The two things you need to track that food, and you’re doing it 100% right, it’s something that you can put in fast and easy. You can say, “I am eating this.”

A lot of times, if you’re eating the same thing, a lot of these apps are just like, “Bing.”

You can just copy and paste, but you need a food scale.

It’s interesting. You usually think, “I’m just going to have a serving of chips or something.” Not that I recommend chips, but so many people overeat chips. The serving of chips is like ten chips. Who eats ten chips? I do if I’m weighing them. This is a good little hack. I have kids and stuff, so we buy organic chips. If I buy a bag of chips and it’s not single-serve chips, the kids will eat all of them into servings, even though that’s six servings in a bag. When I get a bag, I open the bag, I weigh out each serving. I know it’s wasting plastic, I’m sorry, but I put it into Ziploc bags, and then I put it back into that bag. When they reach in, they just pull out one serving.

That works, but it also means you pull out one serving.

Exactly. That is so true.

That makes a huge difference. I’ve tracked calories when I’ve done my keto journey in the past. I lost 30 pounds doing a keto cut. I had to track everything because I was making sure and I’m trying to get all my macros. We can talk about keto macros another time. You have to do all of that work and you need that scale. In fact, if you were going to buy a scale, I would buy a food scale and I’d throw out your scale in your bathroom. Quite honestly, that food scale will get you better results.

Better results than weighing yourself every day.

Plus, if you’re into baking, you are so much better off using a food scale to figure out your ingredients, than you are to say, “It’s a cup.” Maybe, but maybe your flour is light.

That’s what I use for my sourdough baking. It’s a food scale to get all the ingredients. It’s so easy to do. Once you get used to it, you put it on, and then you add until you got them enough, and then you add the water. I just add it all together in one bowl. Just clear it out between ingredients. A food scale is a lifesaver on that stuff.

That makes all the difference. You’re watching your calories, and I’m trying to figure out how to get to 300 grams of protein in a day and how I will consume that.

That’s a lot. That hurts my stomach.

One of my goals is try to figure out how I can change body composition so that I can lean out.

How many grams of protein is in an egg?

You’d have to look it up.

I’m going to look it up because I want to figure this out.

I probably had a pound and a half of meat, six eggs, and a little bit of bacon. That probably isn’t a pound and a half.

There’s six grams of protein in one boiled egg.

Yeah, 6 to 7.

You want to get how many?

I’m not going to eat.

I know, but I wanted to see if you were eating it in eggs.

It would be a lot of eggs.

Fifty eggs.

That’s a lot of eggs.

That’d be expensive.

Especially at $6 a carton right now, I’m thankful that I can get $2 for 9 at the one store. I’m not going to tell you what I can get from certain people who are good friends.

There you go. You got to have your egg supplier. Some people have their drug supplier. We have our egg supplier.

‘m just hoping that the chickens are laying.

They’re starting to a little bit now.

Prioritizing protein as you’re counting all these calories is important, because if you make sure you hit your protein goal on a regular, you will be less hungry and your body composition will change. Most people are not getting one gram per kilogram of body weight. I’m 188 pounds, which is about 85 kilograms. 1 gram is 85, 2 grams would be about 160.

That’s still not even close to 300, like you’re trying to get.

It’s not. Yesterday, I ate about 190. That’s no protein shakes or anything like that. I’m going to try and experiment. I’m going to try it for a week to see if I can even get close to that, because that’s a lot of food. Quite honestly, I’m eating a lot of food as it is. Again, it’s an experiment. The study that they did was 3.7 grams per kilogram of protein.

They saw significant results compared to the group that was doing two grams of protein. Even 2 grams of protein is better than most people are doing. Most people are not getting that gram that they need. This is important. If you’re trying to lose weight, if you’re trying to improve your health, protein is your building block for everything.

Protein is the building block you need when trying to lose weight or improving your health.

It’s a very big deal. Yes, and healthy fats. Are there any other personal goals? I know you’re going to now try to eat 300 grams of protein. I can’t wait to hear how that goes.

We’ll find out. I only missed the cold showers on one day, but I finished with one. I got up about 5:00, and I said, “I’m going to do it.” At 3 minutes and 30 seconds, I said, “That’s enough.”

That’s pretty good. I did zero minutes of a cold shower.

I realized that. If you shivered for me, then you probably got the benefit.

I have nothing left to talk about. Do you have anything left?

The other thing that I’m doing, and the reason I’m looking to increase the protein and the cold showers is the workout routine I’m doing right now. This gets back to slowly step things up. The amount of volume that I’m doing is four days a week. I was used to doing three days a week. Four days a week of volume of kettlebell training is a lot.

At three days, I said, “I feel good. I’ve got a little bit left in the tank.” Even at this program, at four days a week, I’ve got some left in the tank. There are very often mornings when I’m like, “Can I sleep in for another hour?” It was already 8:00 at that one day. Again, ease yourself into these goals because sometimes you think you’re able to do something, and you’re not.

It’s okay to fail sometimes and listen to your body.

It is okay to fail sometimes and listen to your body.

This is why I decided to pick up some eggs for the first time in about a month, and pound those down because that usually gets me back into my ability to lift heavy weights.

It was good to talk to you, Dr. Frederick Schurger.

Dr. Bagley, how are you? Where are people going to find you?

They are going to find me at PrecisionChiroSTL.com. They can find me on Facebook on Precision Chiro STL, or on Instagram @PrecisionChiropracticSTL.

Got it. I’m at KeystoneChiroSPI.com. I’ve got one on Facebook. There is KeystoneDoc on Instagram. My kettlebell journey does show up there from time to time. I might have kettlebell snatches, so there might be a video.

Everybody, go check that out.

I will see how cold it is in the house, whether I’ve got myself worked up to take the t-shirt off. Anyways, we will adjourn. Everyone, keep on liking and subscribing to the show and the channel. Give us a five-star review. Share us with your friends and your family. We look forward to hearing from you. We’ll see you next episode.


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